Por que Joseph odeia WoW?

Hoje li um texto muito bacana no blog "Greyhawk Grognard", publicado por um sujeito que aparentemente se chama apenas "Joseph".

Estou cada dia me sentindo mais pronto para retormar o velho estilo de "mestragem", e um texto como esse é encorajador. Isso porque as críticas ácidas proferidas pelo Mr.Joseph acabam de certa forma revelando meu próprio gosto pessoal por campanhas mais centradas em "storyline" e "deepness" (enredo e profundidade) do que em "might" e "magic" ou "overpower characters". Todo mundo na mesa de jogo já deve saber (ou deveria, pelo menos) saber desse meu gosto.

Por outro lado, isso não significa que eu repudie quem aprecia outros estilos mais baseados em "ganhar XP pra passar de nível" ou "quero fazer meu personagem poderoso e dane-se a história". Muito embora este tipo de jogador tenha mais dificuldade de encontrar sua diversão na mesa do que aqueles de outro estilo, não vejo problemas em tê-los na mesa. Gosto de pensar que sou relativamente democrático neste ponto - só não permito que este estilo tome conta do jogo.

Anyway, este texto que segue abaixo é uma reprodução daquele encontrado no site "http://greyhawkgrognard.blogspot.com/" (cujo link estará em breve fixado na seção "Reinos Exteriores", na barra ao lado). O tal do Joseph fez alguns comentários sobre declarações de Rob Pardo, da Blizzard. Não sei tampouco em que contexto as declarações foram feitas, nem de ondem o tal Joseph as copiou e colou, porém, é interessante do mesmo jeito.


"Rob Pardo of Blizzard Explains Why I'd Hate WoW


Some of these criticisms are going to naturally apply to all such MMORPG's, as there are simply limits they cannot avoid. However, if those limits prevent me from playing (or, perchance, designing) a game that I'd like to play, I'm going to dump on them. But nobody said this was a fair blog, now did they? In the order in which they are presented...

"The challenge is to keep players jumping through the correct hoops, while making those hoops fun."

Okay, you lost me at "jumping through the correct hoops". I don't want there to be correct hoops. I want there to be a million hoops, and most of them aren't "correct". Save the hoops for the trained poodles; I want to explore a world and be able to exercise some influence upon it. That's fun, capiche?

"keep game play simple in terms of mechanics and objectives, but design the game in a way that the challenges scale with the ability of play"

The whole idea of "the challenges scale with the ability of play" annoys me. Sometimes things are just meant to be run away from, period. You're a second level fighter and you come on a dragon? It's not going to be a very young dragon just because you're second level, but ancient if you were 15th. The environment should not alter just because it is first encountered by someone who is of a particular level, or class, or what have you. The environment simply is. And, in that same bullet-point, they say that they had consciously designed their :

"death penalty as a 'tax' of sorts where you'd have to pay to repair your gear,"

So that death isn't death at all. Absolutely no investment in the character. Why bother? There's no risk. And where there's no risk, there's no real reward. Just bang on the keys enough times, and you'll reach 60th level.

"But from a development standpoint, if the majority of your player base is using addons to modify the existing UI, that's a clue that something wasn't quite right with the way the UI was originally designed."

And here I get a real sense of the WoW designers (or maybe it's MMORPG designers in general; it really makes no difference to me) as control freaks with insecurity issues. "Oh noes! Someone is viewing our game in a way we didn't intend!" Could it not simply be that different people have different needs, and preferences, and that designing something with a stripped-down UI in the first place, that actually encouraged the players to design their own modifications, might be a valid way of doing things? It'd be the equivalent of designing a game where it was almost impossible to design a character properly without using the company-provided tool. But nobody would do that...

"Every unit, every class should feel unstoppable, overpowered and epic -- because it's just more fun that way."

I... just... damn. I weep. Remember that old Twilight Zone episode where the hoodlum dies and goes to the afterlife? He gets everything he wants; wins at roulette, always scores with the beautiful girls, absolutely everything. And after a few weeks he's going nuts from the boredom. That's when he realizes that he's not in Heaven after all... That's what WoW strikes me as from that line. A bunch of min-maxing twinks who just want to get their druid to 48th level for the sake of doing so. Story? Setting? Bah. It's all about the levels and the lucre, baby.

"Less is more when 'less' is concentrated into one simple, overpowered and fun class to play."

See above. I want a fighter-magic-user-thief-cleric-assassin-ranger, damnit! That would be so fun!

"Quest text shouldn't be necessary to understand the story -- it should be there to enhance the story that's already obviously playing out."

Vapid: va·pid (\ˈva-pəd, ˈvā-\), adjective. Lacking liveliness, tang, briskness, or force : flat, dull. "A story that relies on nothing but unsupported scenes that progress across the screen without any sort of context in the larger game setting, no matter how crammed full of superficial visual bells and whistles, is nothing but vapid get-me-to-the-next-level game design that commands as much intellectual engagement as a game of Donkey Kong." Synonyms: see insipid.

"You started out gaining 100% xp, but the longer you played, the more that percentage dropped, eventually falling to 50%. This was to discourage players from playing more than a few hours at a time. Beta players hated this system -- so Pardo changed it by doubling the amount of xp required to reach maximum level in the game, starting players out with 200% xp gained, and slowly dropping it to 100% xp as they played. Same effect, same numbers, the only difference was the way the numbers were presented -- and people applauded the 'change'."

They just keep hammering this point home. It's like pinball machine point inflation. It's utterly meaningless in a relative sense, but treat your players like they're five-year-olds demanding more toy cars, and they'll never care that they're getting Matchbox cars instead of Dinky Toys.

"As it stands, when you summon a mount it simply appears beneath you in a puff of smoke -- the animation department suggested that it would be really cool if you'd actually call your mount and have it run to you so you could hop on it, going so far as to mock up the animation for it. But there was a downside to this -- it took several seconds for that animation to play out, and if say, a rogue jumped out to stun lock you, you probably didn't want to be stuck stunned and rapidly dying while watching your horse gallop up to meet you."

Not only must they have it all, but they must have it all now. Three seconds for an animation to play out? Unbearable! The players in my campaign, for comparison, made fourth or fifth level after about a year of play. Uphill, in the snow, both ways.

"With over 11.5 million players in WoW alone, it's clear Blizzard is doing something right -- and the panel did an excellent job of shedding a little light on what that something is."

I confess it's difficult to argue with such numbers; is it just a generational thing, maybe? Kids today, to coin a phrase, are just lazier, or perhaps have more of a sense of entitlement? (I wouldn't be the first to make the observation.) Back in the day, TSR had sales of around $16 million in 1982. Not bad, but hardly the mind-blowing numbers that Blizzard commands (come on, unveil that space elevator already, guys!). Then again, it was a different world, and a different game. That game demanded some imagination, some work, some investment. When a character died, that was (mostly) the end. Grab the dice.

I think what gets me here is the attitude of the players. Clearly, there are a whole bunch of folks out there who like this sort of game. Get everything you want, immediately, loudly, and with no risk. I suppose it makes sense on a certain primate-evolutionary-psychology level, like eating chocolate and starchy foods endlessly. But man, that's not a game I think I'd ever find interesting.


Aproveito para fazer DUAS observações:

1ª) LEIAM A BIOGRAFIA DO CAMABAM, ABAIXO: como estou postando logo após o Robinho, acabou que a biografia do pj dele perdeu o destaque de "capa" do blog. Isso não foi intencional, é claro, e, pelo bem da campanha, a postagem dele é muito mais relevante que essa minha!

2ª) NÃO QUERO ADIANTAR NADA, MAS, FALANDO EM "CAMPANHA"... mudanças estão por vir (Bogus sabe, EM PARTE, do que estou falando. Aliás, Robiwan, queria falar com você sobre elas também - os demais apenas aguardem que serão solicitados em breve [ou não] para opiniões.


  1. Hoje devo ter um dia bem atribulado, mas domingo posso te ligar se já quiser conversar sobre essas mudanças na campanha... Ou então conversamos via MSN, como preferir...

  2. ... sei lá, como preferir. A gente combina alguma coisa pro domingo então. Abrá!

  3. eu li o artigo é facil saber pq o joseph odeio WoW. O jogo não tem interpretação q é oq ele mais presa além de ser um MMO ou, seja on-line, sinceramente pra mim de RPG não tem nada, as pessoas tem o péssimo costume de associar tudo que tem monstros, dragões, coisinhas mágicas e afins ao RPG e não a Fantasia e imaginação super fantásticas...O rpg exige interpretação do personagem, não clicks consecutivos no mause ou a quantidade de macros q vc cria pra fazer um botão do seu teclado ter multi-funções pra bater no big boss da raid mais sinistras e finalmente conseguir uma parte do seu TIER30, pra depois vc se sentir um bundão quando eles lançarem o TIER40. WoW MMO, senão um dos melhores já lançados com uma storyline perfect, mas como já disse não deve ser encarado como rpg( a não ser que algume compre os livros e tente entender aquele sistema louco que de jogo deles.).

    PS: quero saber dessas mudanças ai humf.
    Amanhã é feriado aqui sofrão perdedora >< muahaha

  4. rsrsrsrs... sim, WoW e outros do gênero sequer deveriam ser classificados como RPG, concordo contigo Cacázola.

    Em breve vou colocar aqui do que se tratam as mudanças. Mas não precisa se preocupar não!!! rsrsrs... aliás, já comprou o microfone novo pra jogar com a gente?



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